Papabear Responds to a Hater
Actually I am not a furry, but ask this question here. I recently knows that my younger brother is furry. I absolutely hate furry. Hated them since childhood, knowing that furry - it's just a manifestation of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. Furry declare the existence of some "anthropomorphic animals", but I know perfectly well that such can not be, for biological reasons. Nature rewarded a number of multi barriers to interbreeding. From biochemical to genetic incompatibility. Thus, the "anthropomorphic animals" can only be created by transgenically. However, the current level of science is not technology does not allow it. Moreover, there is no reason to believe that at all possible, again for medical reasons.
I do not know how to act. On the one hand, I totally hate furry, and I think that they should be under the medical supervision of psychiatrists; on the other hand, I can not hate my younger brother. Currently, I kicked him out of my house. Next to me, must not be furry. I'm not homophobic or religious, but I furry hater and dream of all the furry placed in a mental hospital. I told all this to his brother, but he decided to make me angry and told me to buy fursuit from that, I was in a fury. What is wrong with you, furries? Why do you like this nonsense? What good does it bring you? You will also swear to each other, and hate each other. Do you have the same arrogant "celebrities". After I drove my brother-furry, none of the other furry it did not help him. No one, he just burst into life. What a pointless subculture.
Gerard. Belfort, France. (age 21)
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Thank you for caring enough about this issue to write to me. I’m sorry you feel so negatively about furries, but since you took the time to write I will try and explain some things to you.
To begin with, the modern furry fandom began with a bunch of science fiction and fantasy fiction fans who liked to talk about books and movies and comics with anthropomorphic characters. It later grew in playfulness, with people drawing their own art, dressing up, and having conventions. This is all very similar to other types of fan groups, such as Star Trek and comic book superhero fans. None of those people are crazy, and neither are furries. (Schizophrenia is a mental disorder involving delusions, hallucinations, and severe mood swings. Furries are not schizophrenic.)
You also seem to believe that furries want to somehow breed with animals to create anthro characters, or perhaps create them in laboratories. I don’t know where you got this idea, but it is untrue. We are not advocating the actual creation of anthropomorphic species. What nonsense. While it’s fun to imagine such things, anyone with half a brain knows it is neither realistic nor practical in the real world.
You are convinced that furries are all crazy and should be institutionalized. If that’s true, why are you writing to me, a crazy person, by your definition, for advice? If I were crazy, I could not have graduated at the top of my class in college, become a senior editor in America’s largest reference book publishing company, forged a successful career as a freelancer, and now write a coherent and helpful advice column that has been complimented both by furries and by a couple of professionals in the mental health care field. I know furries who are computer programmers, marketers, pharmacists, professional photographers and printers, mechanics, and much more, all living productive, sane lives.
So, what exactly makes you hate furries so much as to kick your own brother out of your home? He’s your brother, your flesh and blood, and you have abandoned him and then you have the temerity to complain that other furries won’t help him when you yourself—his own family—have refused to do so? Do you not see the hypocrisy in your own actions? Furthermore, did any of these furries who didn't take in your brother actually know him? If not, why would you assume they would take in a stranger just because he was a furry? That's like saying I should bring a stranger into my home because we both like the same football team. Finally, if he were actually insane for some reason, don't you think that the proper thing for you to have done in that case would have been to get him some help from a psychologist rather than shoving him out the door?
As to why furries such as yours truly enjoy being furry, I will tell you. I have enjoyed books and films with furry characters since I was a boy and read Kipling’s The Jungle Book and Richard Adams’ Watership Down, well-respected works of literature. I also have and still do enjoy Disney films, and I am certainly not alone in that since such films ranging from Bambi to The Lion King have appealed to millions for decades. Since discovering the fandom, I have made more friends than I ever had in childhood or as a young adult. As a fursuiter, I enjoy dressing up as a bear and entertaining people, like I did most recently at Halloween (see below). Fursuiting brings joy to a lot of people, young and old, and I love to entertain them. Finally, I also have a spiritual connection to furry in that I believe that animal and other spirits in our world can have an effect upon us. With me, the Bear spirit is particularly strong. Think I’m crazy in that respect? Perhaps you should talk to the many thousands of Native Americans who believe as I do and to my spiritual adviser Blackbear, who has taught me about the Medicine Wheel and our connections to animals, something that far to many human beings have sadly lost. So, for me and for many others like me, it is not a “pointless subculture.”
Gerard, you have told me nothing about your brother that should engender such hatred in you. So he is a furry, so what? How does that hurt you so badly that you would make him homeless? Are you ashamed of him? You mention you are not homophobic, implying that your brother may be gay. Are you actually covering up your homophobia with a pretense that you hate furries? I suspect that could be a real possibility.
In the end, who is more crazy? The person who is a furry and likes anthro characters, or his brother, who has a maniacal hatred for something that is harmless (extreme mood swings) and is so delusional (note that word) about what furries actually are that he would make his brother homeless. Hmmmm, sound familiar?
If I had to choose between you and your brother, I know whom I would recommend see a mental health professional.
[Supplement to the above. Papabear just got this reply from Gerard. I'm not going to bother to respond to it because he has made up his mind on his views and there is no sense in arguing, but I thought my readers might be interested. The text with > in front of it is Gerard quoting my earlier reply.]
> To begin with, the modern furry fandom began with a bunch of science
> fiction and fantasy fiction fans who liked to talk about books and movies
> and comics with anthropomorphic characters.
Anthropomorphic animals do not exist, never existed, and naturally can not occur. Nature has provided a number of restrictions and blocking interbreeding, from genetic incompatibility to biochemical incompatibility. All should know and understand, and not to live in a meaningless world of fantasies that do not lead to anything.
I have carefully read that is your subculture and there are no books or anything. But there are a lot of pornographic images and pornography in the infamous mursuits.
> It later grew in playfulness, with people drawing their own art, dressing
> up, and having conventions. This is all very similar to other types of fan
> groups, such as Star Trek and comic book superhero fans.
I ham and it can also be called subculture. But we have no one dresses up in costumes microchip and is not engaged with the sex. We have no conflicts, hatred, abuse, celebrities with their own sense of grandeur. Our websites is not censorship, as it is yours. We do not fight with the views that we may not like. We have no conflict if someone someone copies the scheme. By the way, hams get useful knowledge.
> None of those people are crazy, and neither are furries. (Schizophrenia is
> a mental disorder involving delusions, hallucinations, and severe mood
> swings. Furries are not schizophrenic.)
To be mad, do not have to be a furry, but to be furry enough to be crazy. You want me to believe that a grown man puts on a suit is not clear why - it is adequate?
> You also seem to believe that furries want to somehow breed with
> animals to create anthro characters, or perhaps create them in
> laboratories. I don t know where you got this idea, but it is untrue. We
> are not advocating the actual creation of anthropomorphic species. What
> nonsense. While it s fun to imagine such things, anyone with half a brain
> knows it is neither realistic nor practical in the real world.
Then what's the point? It's just stupid, it's insane. I can create a radio transmitter, can create a microprocessor-based device, it will all be a reality and will work. That can create furry, tons of nonsense?
> You are convinced that furries are all crazy and should be
> institutionalized. If that s true, why are you writing to me, a crazy
> person, by your definition? If I were crazy, I could not have graduated at
> the top of my class in college, become a senior editor in America s largest
> reference book publishing company, forged a successful career as a
> freelancer, and now write a coherent and helpful advice column that has
> been complimented both by furries and by a couple of professionals in the
> mental health care field. I know furries who are computer programmers,
> marketers, pharmacists, professional photographers and printers,
> mechanics, and much more, all living productive, sane lives.
Mental health is a very broad term. A good writer can be a serial killer.
> So, what exactly makes you hate furries so much as to kick your own
> brother out of your home?
1. It is absolutely pointless.
2. The lack of development.
3. Furry - very bad people: censorship on websites, aggression, anger, arrogance.
I do not want next to me was a furry. Previously, he was kicked out of the house parents who found the yiff image. My father was General of the Army and he almost killed him for this picture.
> He s your brother, your flesh and blood, and you have abandoned him and
> then you have the temerity to complain that other furries won t help him
> when you yourself his own family have refused to do so? Do you not see
> the hypocrisy in your own actions?
This is not a complaint but a statement of fact uselessness of your subculture. Why I did wrong, why should I put up with a furry? My house cost me a very big deal and I will not stand here furry, yiff, fursuit or something like that.
> As to why furries such as yours truly enjoy being furry, I will tell you. I
> have enjoyed books and films with furry characters since I was a boy and
> read Kipling s The Jungle Book and Richard Adams Watership Down,
> well-respected works of literature. I also have and still do enjoy Disney
> films, and I am certainly not alone in that since such films ranging from
> Bambi to The Lion King have appealed to millions for decades.
I believe that books and movies where the animals are anthropomorphized - is extremely harmful. Should be read only informative, scientific and science literature. People engage in this nonsense and do not even have the curiosity to know how the world around us. Disney - it's nasty shit. We are here in France is very hate this company, as they are paying a lot of money to corrupt officials to take those fascist copyright "laws". Willing to sell his mother for money, damn copyrighters.
> Since discovering the fandom, I have made more friends than I ever had
> in childhood or as a young adult.
This is not a friend. Friends - it's close peoples. You talk about the acquaintance and nothing more. Where are the friends of my brother? Huh.
> As a fursuiter, I enjoy dressing up as a bear and entertaining people, like I
> did most recently at Halloween. Fursuiting brings joy to a lot of people,
> young and old, and I love to entertain them.
A large man in a strange costume? In Belfort is not accepted.
> Finally, I also have a spiritual connection to furry in that I believe that
> animal and other spirits in our world can have an effect upon us. With
> me, the Bear spirit is particularly strong. Think I m crazy in that respect?
Yes, this is crazy. There is no soul, and man, like other animals - it's just a biological robot.
> Perhaps you should talk to the many thousands of Native Americans who
> believe as I do and to my spiritual adviser Blackbear who has taught me
> about the Medicine Wheel and our connections to animals, something
> that far to many human beings have sadly lost. So, for me and for many
> others like me, it is not a pointless subculture.
Even people from Mali is not as obscurantist, to believe in such nonsense. The belief in the soul, some common substance and everything like that is a result of poor education. In France we have is not accepted. It is very strange that in a country of Intel and Google believe in the soul.
> Gerard, you have told me nothing about your brother that should
> engender such hatred in you. So he is a furry, so what? How does that
> hurt you so badly that you would make him homeless?
I have always regarded negatively by the furry and I like the fact that it is far away from me. When it came to me and knocked on the door, to me it was very unpleasant. Why do I have to do on a great effort and tolerate all this? Therefore I will not beat my brother, deleting images and block sites. What does a homeless, it is his life. A few years ago, I, too, left home to army orders and now I have my own house. But furry can not work 12 hours, but can only pictures and fursuit.
> You mention you are not homophobic, implying that your brother may be
> gay. Are you actually covering up your homophobia with a pretense that
> you hate furries? I suspect that could be a real possibility.
He is gay, but that's no problem for me.
> In the end, who is more crazy? The person who is a furry and likes anthro
> characters, or his brother, who has a maniacal hatred for something that
> is harmless (extreme mood swings) and is so delusional (note that word)
> about what furries actual are that he would make his brother homeless.
> Hmmmm, sound familiar?
I do not consider myself crazy, my way of thinking is completely logical.
> If I had to choose, I know whom I would recommend see a mental health > professional.
A psychiatrist with whom I consulted, said furry mental illness. This is an occupational therapist, a licensed and diplomas.
11/13/2013 09:43:14 pm
11/14/2013 12:24:06 am
Raven The Fox
7/9/2018 07:45:52 pm
ikr, I personally think for that he should leave, even if it's his own home
11/14/2013 05:15:48 am
Well damn. I almost think this letter is fake (I kind of hope it is), but being around the internet...
11/14/2013 05:45:32 am
I'm sorry to say that the letter is not a fake. It landed in my email last night. Because of its nature, I replied right away. I would not fake a letter in my column. I hope no one thinks that!
11/14/2013 12:03:51 pm
Oh, I think the previous commenter meant that Gerard is a troll and a fake, given his bizarre ranting about "transgenics" and "interbreeding," and the weird, nonsensical sidebar about "celebrities."
11/14/2013 02:21:34 pm
Oh no! I meant the author of the letter was making it up, not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
11/14/2013 06:10:38 am
Wow. This guy better take a long hard look in the mirror and look at himself as a hateful person and him saying he is not homophobic or religious is full of himself. Because of him kicking his brother out all because his brother was a furry and probably do not want to even talk to him again unless his brother gave up being a furry, his brother will never show him any forgiveness and will hate him for the rest of his life.
Dan the Bear
11/14/2013 09:31:10 am
well... i think people just fears what they can understand and is out of their zone of comfort. Lots of myths... and also true horro strories about furs being all kind of bad things... but i think thats just a minimum part of the fandom, the rets are cool people that just have a fascination with animals and cartoons and enjoy this animal connection to different levels.
11/14/2013 02:45:07 pm
Hate does come from fear often, but it clearly doesn't come from ignorance sometimes I think but it's also plain hatred to judge those as bad that are "weird/different" as well. As sadly, people just hates them for no actual reason at all, often coming from old age believes and such like "normal" for example. :/
11/14/2013 02:55:31 pm
-Note: I was Anon, didn't feel like using D-man-
11/14/2013 03:36:50 pm
I also noticed the reply claim it's impossible, sorry but I do find that an attack on Science, it's kind of the same as attacking a idea to build a space ship that can ignore gravity and travel across the Solar System in 2 seconds.
11/15/2013 04:08:04 am
Something about the initial letter and subsequent followup just doesn't ring true to me. I'm wondering if it may simply be a troll, trying to stir up trouble.
11/15/2013 04:14:19 am
I really don't know, but I'm not following up on it anymore. To do so would be pointless, creating an endless thread of "you people are crazy," "no we're not" etc. etc.
11/15/2013 07:27:00 am
11/15/2013 04:17:24 am
Wow. This is just a scary reminder of how low some people can sink.
11/15/2013 04:23:54 am
PS : Now that I reread through it all, thought, it does seems strange that the first letter started with a "I don't know how to react" only to go all uncle Vernon on us just after "You lot are all freaks and nutcase". Taking a step back, I understand why it could seem as if he was just a troll trying to stir steam.
11/15/2013 03:18:11 pm
I didn't notice the reply when I was reading comments.
11/17/2013 11:06:15 pm
Thank you PapaBear for a cogent reply to a heateful letter. I too graduated top of ivy league schools, and i am open about the fandom to the business community, whi as a whole have been very accepting and supportive, even when i threaten to shiw up at a stick exchange public offering to ring the opening bell in fur (hint: the stock exchange is ultra conservative). But every now and then i run into the ignorance and hate that you did in this letter. Fortunately, it is in the minority. Your answer was perfect.
Rayne the akita
11/27/2013 04:03:40 am
I hope his brother is ok. The amount of negativity was a bit much. I felt the joy being sucked out of me reading this. He sounds like a robot himself.
12/21/2013 10:39:42 am
All; I can say is WOW, this guy has been mislead by so many haters that he has been brainwashed in to believing we are crazy and like to have sex with animals. Even though I have been a furry for a little over 7 years, I have never once had a thought of having sex with an animal. We are not crazy nor are we schizophrenic. We are who we are, we are people who just happen to like dressing up like our favorite animal. Myself, I am a Were-Cat, a mythical creature which was depicted in the original Wizard of OZ. I have nothing against gay's, my favorite nephew is gay but that doesn't stop me from loving him any different. The misconceptions people bring upon us is being over bearing and it's high time we go out, show them who we really are. We are normal, everyday people who have professional or semi-professional jobs which we go to everyday.
3/29/2014 03:57:17 pm
Its ignorant ass holes like him that make so many of us flurries hide what we are. Fuck him and his "logical" thinking. Did he even read your reply?
11/6/2017 06:06:49 pm
he is the Donald trump of the furry fandom
7/27/2018 11:59:07 pm
This French guy sounds like an asshole. I read the whole thing and I found his broken English to be laughably awful while his dad nearly killing his brother over porn was repugnant. His bigotry is so disgusting. I've talked to furries online and they can be generally nice and creative people.
3/27/2020 11:45:24 am
Holy shit. This Gerard person is absolutely bat-shit insane! Could be a troll though. God, his words are giving me major OCD. I don't want anyone to taint my love for furry culture.
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