Note: - Even though I don't think you are a 100 % spiritual tolerated person, I still like to ask stuff, sort of now.
Do you think society is getting better and more tolerance?
Or is it just getting... worse?
Because of what I been hearing about (People abusing critique, attacking stuff for what it is, etc.), I feel like my faith is much more down the drain. My dream future will probably be frowned upon, so it feels like there is no point.
I was recently looking up why people generally hated "Twilight" (I'm not even a fan), and I was hoping that it wasn't based on any biased reasons. Even though, people should respect each other still. Sadly, all I have seen was very biased reasons of that movie (or book), people hate something that's meant to be what it is, they force there idiotic opinions over something just because it was, different. They then bash any fan, and tell them not to embrace it.
The Twilight hate is very bigoted, and often, completely zero real criticism. They complain that "vampires" don't sparkle (When yet, people has always made up new styles for any "fictional" originated story.), compare it to the wrong movies, etc. etc. They expect that every written story to be the same, generic type of thing. (I mean really, what if a story about an art-style/sparkle vampire was crazy awesome, there is a chance of that you know.)
When something is made that is MEANT to be for certain people, people who hates a different audience movie should learn to move on and not complain, but NO, they go out, bash fans who likes it and force complete biased opinions over them. I even heard a known guy for bashing it, saying "Twilight" should not exist, and seeing a bunch of corrupts loving him just for that. This makes me sick. Even worse: I see people stand up for other people and teach haters to move on and leave others who like it, but the haters waste there damn energy pouring hatred on those kinds of people. This makes me sick. Very sick. And it sounds like people promoting unconstitutional censorship!
Society has in fact, FAILED to listen to the Golden Rule - "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."
Here is another example: Mary Sue - I come to understand that making a "Mary Sue" story can end up often being "boring" (I think) to a certain type of audience, and I can suggest to avoid that if you are trying to reach a general audience or something, but when a story is meant to be Mary Sue, and is meant for a different, different audience, people should respect the interests of it, but sadly, I see abusive criticizing (Pointing out something for what it is and comparing it to something it's not) over it.
Here is another example: There was a fan-game of My Little Pony: http://www.equestriagaming.com/2014/02/a-my-little-pony-platformer-game.html
And apparently, instead of being a Mature tolerance kind of person, the person bashes it for what it is, just because it was a style of Mario, a self-insert (Self-inserts can be good), etc. He/She used misleading tags such as "creepypasta" and "survival horror", just because of the biased reasons. I have argued how offensive it was to compare this to different things and bashing something that CAN be good for what it is, but the person just ignorantly complained, and disabled the comments. The original artist of the fan game has also complained about Tuxxy (The site owner) being rude against His/Her own fan-game. So when He/She disabled them, he refused to delete those tags.
These are an example of how bad society is possibly getting, they abused critique, attack something for what it is and compare something to something it's not, it's just another form of hatred. They also often hate something, just because of fans (Fans never hurt anyone, but haters do).
The reason why I take (Especially the Twilight thing) these kinds of things seriously in a bad way is because this can effect future works of others that desire to make something for difference audience. Now sadly if society continues to do this, so many good new, creative works will probably be bashed just because, people hate it.
I have a huge dream of people to embrace other kinds of fandoms, to even have the freedom to be just as popular as any kinds of things (Take Frozen for example), but seeing this horrid crap (Especially people telling others that they must be limited) makes my own faith and others very low.
It's just another valid reason on why I'm 80-95 % misanthropic, and the fact that I tend to avoid society a lot.
I just don't know what to do, even the Furry Fandom may be slowly moving to the side of the horrid side of humanity. The Brony Fandom is much ahead to the real dark side, with little tolerance I think, and I see no signs (or much) of hope of respect of real critique. All I see is people bashing Art-Styles, Story Ideas, etc. for WHAT THEY ARE.
And it's like if I were to make a story that judges intolerance or something, I would get abused by false criticism just because most people on here isn't into it (Biased). Yet, it's meant for certain people and to grow to teach the world later. Or people bashing your bear fursona JUST because it's consider "weird"; furry, different, etc.
Of course, there are many other issues of society (Like anti-sexuality, and other kinds of things), but this is just one of great things, making things worse.
>>Also, I can respect any biased reason to personality dislike something, but I will NEVER respect people who cross the line with them: Bashing fans, claiming "name" is bad based of biased, telling others they can't embrace, other kinds of abusing critique (Failure of promoting the PURPOSE), etc.<<
I don't even know if you are the right person here to ask this, if you don't know for sure, then you don't have to reply.
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Hi, Diamond Man,
Hmm, not sure what you mean by saying I’m not a “100% spiritual tolerated person,” but I hope you don’t think I’m intolerant of others for their spiritual beliefs. I try not to be.
As to your question, “Do you think society is getting better and more tolerance? Or is it just getting... worse?” My belief is that, historically, intolerance has been a chronic condition of the human race. In one sense, I think that a large portion of humanity (not a majority, but a larger and larger chunk) is becoming more enlightened thanks to increased education, the advancement of science, and increased exposure to other cultures, all of which has allowed those who are able to take advantage of these developments to open their eyes to the larger world rather than remaining in a parochial one.
In another sense, though, it might seem like there is more intolerance because, thanks to the “communication age” of the Internet and other technology, we are privileged to hear a lot more blowholes spouting invective about the least little thing.
What puzzles me a bit is why you are concerned so much about criticism over such things as The Twilight Saga and Mary Sue fiction when there are much more serious issues to be concerned about, such as debate over global warming, the destruction of the environment, the continued inequities among the races in our culture, and the war of the wealthy right-wing elite against the poor and middle classes and against religious minorities.
When one considers the serious problems in the world, does it really matter if vampires have sparkly skin or not? Of course it doesn’t. And if some people object to it (or other types of fiction) then maybe they shouldn’t read it. As for criticizing it, I don’t have much respect for critics. Most of them simply get off trashing other people’s work. When it comes to fiction, for instance, I would say that unless you have written a successful novel yourself (or something similar) you really don’t have any solid ground to stand on when attempting to criticize something you are incapable of doing yourself. To stretch out an old saying: those who can’t do, teach; those who can’t teach, criticize.
Critics, as you’ve pointed out, can often stifle creativity by hurting the feelings of the sensitive who might have created something worthwhile had their egos not been so badly damaged. There are few things more painful than putting one’s heart and soul into a story only to have it roundly criticized. As someone who has a hundred rejection letters in his file cabinet, I can attest to that. But those who really believe in themselves will forge ahead anyway. Margaret Mitchell, to mention one author who leaps to mind, was rejected by dozens of publishers before Gone with the Wind was finally accepted.
I think one of your main points was that haters were bashing certain works of fiction simply for what they are rather than on more objective merits, such as character and plot development. Some people, for instance, are “purists” when it comes to things like what a vampire looks like and how it behaves. To me, such people are stuck in a rut. I actually thought the idea of the sparkly skin as an explanation as to why vampires don’t like to go out into the sun was clever and, in a way, makes more sense than the notion that they burst into flames. I’m not a fan of Twilight (mostly because it really is written to appeal to young girls), but I wouldn’t criticize it just because Stephenie Meyers took liberties with the premise.
Indeed, changing details about genres and creatures in fiction has been going on for generations. For example, Bela Lugosi’s characterization of Count Dracula is uniquely his and not really at all as Bram Stoker wrote him. Stoker, indeed, described the Count only in very vague terms; it was Lugosi who gave him the looks and mannerisms that became the standard for decades. Early vampires, modeled after Lugosi’s portrayal, tended to be elegant, classy gentlemen. This model became more complex over time, with probably the Anne Rice books really contributing to the shift in the modern era. Vampires started, too, to gain other magical talents, like superspeed and the ability to transform into various creatures, even into mist. Finally, we also saw the advent of “good vampires.” So, to complain that Meyers’ vampires are too different is to be ignorant of the fact that what a vampire is is not chiseled in stone.
ANYway, technology that gives us such questionable advances as Facebook also gives us more opportunity to hear and read all the obnoxious, ignorant, and downright stupid thoughts that many people have no qualms sharing. And don’t forget! Trolls! Trolls are people who hiss inflammatory insults about almost anything with the goal of provoking a reaction out of you. As far as you’re concerned, you are falling right into the paws of the trolls, Diamond Man. Giving them exactly what they want, which is to upset you.
The best strategy for you is to live and let live. Let the haters hate; let them live in their shallow, petty, nasty little world, which is the worst type of self-inflicted punishment you could ask for. In the meantime, don’t let them get to you.
Enjoy whatever you like, and you can counter the haters by posting love and support for the writers who produce the stories you enjoy.
No, it’s not a more hateful world, just a more vocal one.
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