Hello again Papabear,
Writing you again for a different issue that I'm having. Though I'm pleased to report that I've been feeling better and haven't had as many thoughts of suicide. :)
On to my problem, I've noticed over the many years that I've been a part of this fandom (and the short time I've been in the brony fandom as well) that quite a few people are very active politically. This is great! I love that people in my age group (18-25) are taking politics seriously. However ... it did not take long to notice that most furries/bronies are at the opposite spectrum from me.
Yes, I am a conservative and registered Republican. Though I consider my party affiliation/ideals to be more along the lines of a Libertarian, I usually vote Republican.
This has caused ... rifts between me and the vast majority of furries when politics is brought up. While I consider myself very calm and tolerant of others beliefs/opinions, most furries who engage me spew a surprising amount of hatred my way just because of my party.
I cannot begin to express how much this upsets me. I feel as though the majority of the fandom has decreed that I'm not allowed to have an opinion and if I say anything that goes against them, I'm the target of extreme hatred.
At this juncture I'm at a loss for what to do, I was even hesitant to write to you as I know you also share a differing political views than I. It seems that whenever politics is brought up, I cannot respond, because doing so brings a torrent of angry people leaving nasty comments/DMs. I've tried to explain my position rationally and logically but no one wants to listen. They immediately pass judgment and lump me in with the crazed religious Right. Which couldn't be farther from the truth. I support gay marriage, I'm pro-choice, and yet they all seem to treat me like some vile scum unworthy of respect. It feels like I'm forced to listen to what they have to say but if I try to get in a word edgewise I'm immediately treated like garbage.
Basically, what can I do? I just want other furries/bronies to show my views the same respect I show theirs, am I asking too much?
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Thank you for a very interesting and germane letter in this political season. I’m flattered that you would write to me despite your fears that I might pass judgment on you on this topic. I hope the below will alleviate that fear (and everyone’s fear) that Papabear would do something like that about any subject, no matter how controversial.
As with many issues that Papabear addresses, I feel I can speak with some authority on this one because of my experience. It might surprise many of Papabear’s readers that he was once a registered Republican and voted for Ronald Reagan—twice.
But while I believe in some of the values of the Republicans, such as less government control on states’ rights to manage how they spend their tax money (I used to live in a “donor state” of Michigan that gives the government more money than they receive in aid, and I believe California is the same way). The Republicans used to have “paws off” policies concerning people’s private lives, as well. For example, President Reagan believed that government should have nothing to do with abortion or other things we do in the bedroom.
But then the Christian Right and other conservative extremists took over the Republican Party, and it became the party against a woman’s right to choose and against gay marriage and other issues that are none of their business. Once that happened, they lost me as a supporter. Doubly so when I learned, much to my chagrin, that Republican presidents, despite averring that they were more fiscally responsible and conservative, actually spent MORE money and ran up the deficit MORE than Democrat administrations (Clinton, a Democrat, did the most to balance the budget of any 20th century president). There may be some argument about President Obama’s spending, but a lot of that was to shore up the egregious fiscal irresponsibility of the previous administration (Republican) and with being saddled with two wars (started by a Republican).
The problem in our country today is that both parties still have some good ideas to offer BUT THEY WON’T LISTEN TO EACH OTHER and they won’t compromise. It has all become about political agendas, what to do to stay in power, which is something the great George Orwell correctly predicted, RATHER than helping the PEOPLE of this country! Grrrrr!
*Pant pant* LOL. Okay, Towyn, maybe you see the ol’ bear’s point that politics is a very hot issue. Just as with religion, people have strong opinions and are often unwilling to listen. Papabear is guilty of that sometimes. I have a very VERY conservative uncle in Texas who kept sending me anti-Obama emails. Finally, I got sick of it and stopped reading. I have a furry friend who is a horse who is quite conservative. It’s actually interesting to chat with him, and although I only agree with him once in a while, sometimes he points out things I haven’t thought about and has persuaded me occasionally.
What many in the furry community need to practice is tolerance on this topic. It is interesting that we seem to be cool with other religions, races, sexual identities, etc., but you are correct, Towyn, that on politics we seem to be less tolerant.
It is wrong for other furries to get mad at you just because you have some conservative views, just as it would be wrong for conservative furries to get angry at those who are liberals. Papabear thinks you are running into this problem a lot because you are probably chiming in on various social network discussions rather haphazardly with your opinions. Because there are a LOT of liberal furries out there, you are setting yourself up for an attack.
My suggestion would be that you refrain from such open discussions and, instead, keep such conversations where they are more apt to be listened to and debated intelligently, such as the Political Furs group on Furry4Life: http://furry4life.org/group/politicalfurs. You can also form your own group. You could create a Libertarian Furries group on FB, for instance, and welcome those with more conservative views. OR, you can start a No Drama Political Views group or something like that, where both sides are encouraged to debate intelligently without the fear of being banned because of their views.
I hope your previous experience with political flaming won’t turn you off the fandom and that, instead, you will proceed constructively as suggested above.
Good luck! And big HUGS from a gay liberal bear LOL!
9/18/2012 03:28:27 am
Hey Towyn *hugs* Another Registered Republican who is a libertarian here. Gary Johnson is my candidate since Ron Paul decided to knuckle under the thumb of the puppet Republican Party. As far as your experiences, I have also tried to talk and point things out political. Doesn't work with the more vocal anyone though. I gave up. Haters are gonna hate and they are haters. *hugs* Just remember that furs are no different than anyone else where politics are concerned and this election is particularly bad bad. One more note :) Please don't use the term "juncture" :) It will always bring to mind a former president that, if he is caught in other countries, stands a good chance of being arrested and put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
10/2/2012 11:53:15 am
Hey Towyn, i know exactly what you mean. I myself am very active in politics, which is very unusual for a 18 year old lol. But i get a lot of hate just like you, im independant, democratic leaning, republican voting this year. Im only voting republican this year, simply put because theres many reasons that would be very time consuming to type out, because i cant stand the amount of debt obamas put us in. And i know its not all his fault, the reasons for our debt go all the way back to WWI and WWII, as papa bear said himself. But since he got into office our national debt has trippled and yet he keeps enacting more useless stimuluses. Which in a way isnt really his fault either, hes giving it all out to government programs that really should be reformed as to how theyre allowed to use the money theyre alloted. But on top of all that, theres really not even much difference between Romney and Obama. The only way they really are different is that Romneys against abortion. Which while i dont agree with that, i know that it would take more that one, even two terms of presidency to overturn that. So im not worried. But still, Romey is pro-gay, and even is supportive of obamacare, just under a different name!!! So in the end, the only difference that matters is this, obama has no track record of handling money well, while romney does. And you can tell me he got that money fortexas unethically, but i havent seen any proof. Maybe im not looking hard enough, but i still havent found proof of foul play in romneys methods. And papbears right, try finding places to debate politics without drama. There at one time was this fantastic little journal on FA that was modded by a very nice democrat, and even though me and her had different voting choices, she even defended my right to not be yelled at. It was very nice. And even though i did get some nasty comments before thay were removed, for the most part it was a very intelectual debate that was really enjoyable. So im sure that youll find someplace to debate, and if you want, you can always note me on FurAffinity.com under my username Kalesnowtail for some fun political talk! :)
5/11/2013 06:32:35 am
Seems like to be a conservative in America when you don't have a home, don't have a job, don't have access to needed mental healthcare, and don't have access to an education is to vote against both your own long term survival and immediate self interest.
9/16/2015 06:32:13 pm
I can't fathom why anyone who isn't a straight, white, male would live within 300 miles of Portland, Oregon. The transition from the 1990s to the 2010s has forced the big-personal regulation, aka, "small government", skinhead racist types to Portland due to a lack of sales tax and a low tax rate on nonprofits, making them an obvious tax shelter for the new Jim Crowe south. Not to say that Idaho is much better now, but rather that it's spread to Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, and to a lesser extent, thanks to the CIC being hip to this now, BC and Alberta.
5/11/2016 01:29:48 am
Id like to point out that racism is actually very rare in the south and south west. I grew up in TX and live in AZ. the only racism one finds are racist jokes as most people dont care.... as a general rule, just dont piss someone off or threaten their family and you'll be fine....
6/9/2018 02:23:58 pm
Clearly old response at look at the number of antifa faggots living in portland now. Statues of Marx. Clearly founded by communists. Cancerous left just like the nazis.
Infidel Hammurabi/Molon Labe
9/16/2015 03:45:59 pm
Well I'm glad to see that there's at least some other Conservative or Libertarian furries out there. Hoo-yah and God bless.
5/11/2016 01:22:41 am
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