Dear Papabear,
I was circumcised for, if I remember correctly, medical/hygienic reasons. I was fine with the way I looked "down there" until I read several Psychology Today articles saying that circumcision had several negative neurological and psychological effects, such as increasing sensitivity to future pain, causing bottling in of emotions, etc. (the articles can be found here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe, https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage). Other than "bottling in emotions" and maybe something else*, my symptoms occurred after reading the articles describing them, as far as I can tell. Is there any way to know for sure if the symptoms are simply the result of being told "if you are circumcised, you have these symptoms" or not? *I had to get surgery once. For some reason, I had to have an empty bladder prior to the operation, but I couldn't go while being in the same room as the doctor. Listening to running water didn't help, so I had to have a catheter. I cried from the pain of the insertion, and briefly entertained thoughts of torturing the doctor who'd put the catheter in as revenge (although I know that torture is unethical). I'm not sure if this is related to being circumcised or not. Alec (age 20) * * * Dear Alec, An interesting topic, and thanks for bringing it up. The jury is still largely out on whether or not circumcision is a good idea for males (to distinguish it from circumcision of females, which is definitely not a good idea). Historically, circumcision goes back to ancient Jewish tradition. Genesis 17:10–14 states: 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Among Jews, it is a religious rite called the brit milah. Christians do it, too, since they come from that tradition, although without the ceremony and in a doctor’s office, rather than at home performed by a rabbi (and, of course, not to say all Jews have a rabbi do it). As with some other commandments in the Bible, such as not eating ham with milk, the practice probably came into being for health reasons. Antibiotics had yet to be invented, and infections could easily be a death sentence. Today, being uncircumcised can still be problematic, and the Centers for Disease Control still recommend the procedure, saying that it can help prevent everything from urinary tract infections to cancer and HIV. This recommendation, made in 2014, reinforced a 1999 recommendation by the American Academy of Pediatrics. There is also a growing movement, however, away from the practice. My own mother did not believe in it, saying that circumcision was unnecessary mutilation. As a young kid who had to shower with the other boys after gym class, I used to curse her because I was so embarrassed to be the only one in the shower with a foreskin (indeed, a huge reason many parents in the past circumcised boys was they were fearful their kids would be teased in the showers at school). Today, I am thankful she left my penis alone.... More on that below. I have never heard of the author of the article in Psychology Today that you have here, so I looked up this Lilli Cannon on the Internet, finding her blog, www.moralogous.com, and the bio in it that states she is a “parent, wife, entrepreneur, thinker, armchair psychologist, amateur anthropologist.” None of these things makes her a physician or psychologist, so I would definitely take her advice with a big grain of salt. In fact, I’m surprised her article was published in Psychology Today. She’s an amateur, as am I, which is why my website clearly states I’m not a doctor or trained counselor. I also note that in her article she provides no links to scientific studies, only, bizarrely, links concerning animal welfare. In recent years in the United States have seen a downward trend because there have also been studies saying there are really no benefits and that it is, really, mutilation. An entire organization—Intact America—has been established to educate people about what it feels are myths about circumcision. Am I confusing you yet? Well, that’s because the medical community can often contradict itself. Here, briefly, is what I think about circumcision: 1) it is largely continued today because of religious and social reasons, not health reasons; 2) it is a simple way for a doctor to make a quick buck, charging $200 to $800 for the procedure in the United States; 3) yes, it is extremely painful to the infant and often done without anesthetic, doctors even once believing that newborns didn’t experience pain as much as adults do (that screaming didn’t indicate pain?); 4) while it is true that bacteria can grow under the foreskin, this is easily resolved with good hygiene practices. The reason you see higher rates of infections in places like rural Africa is because hygiene is more problematic there. Men with foreskins can greatly reduce their risk to be about the same as circumcised men by thoroughly cleaning the head of the penis daily, and also doing so immediately after sexual intercourse (if done without protection) or by simply wearing a condom (always a good idea, says my buddy Critter *tip o’ the hat*). Even though I don’t respect Cannon much because that article in Psychology Today was poorly done, it actually might be true, according to research I found (hey, Cannon, why didn’t you support your claims? sheesh). According to this study http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/taddio2/ circumcision can, indeed, cause Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, leading to depression, anger, and even suicide in later years. On a less-significant, but still important, level, the removal of the foreskin lowers the sensitivity of the penis and, hence, makes sex less pleasurable (thanks, Mom). Now, does Papabear believe that your circumcision led to your emotional issues? This is questionable for the reason that you state you didn’t have any problems until after you read the article by Cannon. It sounds like what hypochondriacs do, believing they have a disease only when they learn about it. If everyone who was circumcised became emotionally impaired, the world would be an utter disaster. Perhaps it increases such risks, but does not necessarily lead to them. As for your doctor visit, that could be attributed to anxiety—also, very odd that the doctor insisted on being in the same room because usually they hand you a cup and tell you to fill it in the bathroom. To answer your question, then, no, it is not possible to state for an absolute certainty whether or not being circumcised has affected you in some way. My advice would be to stop obsessing about it, because that will just create a self-fulfilling prophecy: the more you worry, the more it will disturb you, the greater the risk of you actually becoming emotionally impaired. Don’t blame your “bottling in” of emotions on your surgery. Instead, look for ways to calm yourself, enjoy your current life as you are, and count your blessings. Look for the good in life and stop focusing on the bad, whether real or imaginary, and you’ll be much better off. Hugs, Papabear P.S. Circumcision can actually be reversed through surgery or, with the use of weights or elastic straps, nonsurgical procedures. Consult your physician if you wish to consider your options. UPDATE April 23, 2015 Here is a GREAT article provided by my buddy Furisky about the foreskin and the U.S. medical community. A must-read: http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.in/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html?m=1
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Alec
4/22/2015 10:12:52 am
I said that the symptoms occurred after reading the article "as far as I can tell"; I was thinking that they could have been expressed earlier, but I had yet to recognize them as what they were. The doctor was in the room because I was in bed at the time, and wasn't allowed to get up for whatever reason.
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Papabear
4/23/2015 01:57:19 am
You can feel free to protest circumcision because of the reasons I provided. You don't need my permission to do so, whether your reasons for protest come by logic or emotion. People often denigrate emotion as inferior to intellect; not me. I find both equally valid. We are emotional beings, and if something like circumcision causes emotional pain, then that is a valid argument against it. As for the first paragraph, I merely reply to the information I have at hand, hon. It is the responsibility of the writer to tell me fully what is going on. Partial facts result in incomplete answers. Thank you.
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Hmmm, this is a hot button topic. Why do you say "circumcision of females, which is definitely not a good idea" but think it's OK to consider it for males? Both male and female can be more or less extreme, is it all right for females if it's just a small nick?
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Papabear
4/23/2015 01:53:27 am
On Female Circumcision: the answer, Critter, is that female circumcision has absolutely no health benefits, while it can be argued that some benefits might come from male circumcision. Furthermore, the primary reason for female circumcision (mostly in third-world nations) is to deliberately decrease female enjoyment of sex because those cultures feel women shouldn't enjoy it. That is why I said female circumcision is ALWAYS bad. As for forbidding male circumcision until 18, that would eliminate the practice, I bet; who would opt for it at that age? Anyway, I'm actually personally against circumcision, but I always try to see both sides of the issue.
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Well, I was going to link to some comments but your updated link covers most everything except the claimed benefits of female circumcision (just do a web search for "female circumcision health benefits"). Cirp.org also has a wealth of material.
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Backdrop12
5/13/2015 03:04:54 pm
Now about the surgery, It will just return the gliding action AND NOT THE NERVES. That is why I think it is not worth it on the grounds that I do not think the benefits outweigh the cons at the present moment.
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Papabear
5/14/2015 08:15:46 am
Great Scott! I guess I'm out of the loop, because I have never heard of "intactivists" and have never heard of anyone who is uncircumcised thinking that those who were circumcised were less than human or didn't enjoy sex or whatever. I, for one, would certainly never tell a circumcised person he was a monster! Good gravy! And, judging by what I have seen, a circumcised man can certainly have a damn good time with his penis LOL.
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Yowza! Never heard of anybody being shamed because they were cut, that's not right.
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Alec
5/15/2015 08:04:26 am
I checked out that CDC link. It said that there are big decreases in the chances of contracting HPV, UTIs, etc., but it didn't say what the decrease was relative to--for example, say you have a 90% chance of getting cancer--reducing that figure by 60% would leave you with a 10.5% chance of getting cancer, which is good; if the baseline number was 10%, it'd reduce your chances to about 0.17%, which isn't as impressive. The page says that circumcision reduces the risk of UTIs, but the next sentence says that one of the risks of circumcision is infection.
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Good point about statistics, Alec. The "so and so %" reduction is often misleading.
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